Australian Mom Brings Baby Back to Life After 2hrs of Loving Embrace

Pictured above is Kate Ogg, her husband David and her lifeless baby son who was born premature at 27 weeks (~6.5 months) weighing 2lbs back in March 2010 in Sydney.

Ogg’s son was born along-side twin sister Emily, but after 20 mins of struggling, doctors were unable to get the little boy breathing successfully and declared him dead.

Doctors delivered the news to Kate and her husband and offered for them to embrace the baby while they say their goodbyes. What began as a tearful embrace of despair turned surreal when Kate unwrapped the baby from the blanket and held it against her chest; caressing and speaking to her son.

What happened next stopped everyone in their tracks; baby boy Jamie started to breathe, opened his eyes and grabbed his mom’s finger.

The most incredible part of this story, the part that makes you think maybe we don’t understand all we need to understand about this world, the next or… biology… is that Kate had been embracing Jamie’s lifeless body for 2 hours.

Let that sink in… they didn’t try and revive the baby for 20 mins, give up, hand the baby to Kate and then Jamie came around 5 mins later. They handed Kate Ogg her dead baby boy and she held him for 2 hrs before he came back to life.

I’m sure there is a away to explain away this event with science and some form of primal hibernation, etc. etc. but in my book that was a miracle. A baby had a heart beat for 6.5 months inside of it’s mother, it is born, dies, has no heart beat for 2 hrs, then comes back to life.

Kate went on TV a bit after with Jaime and says her attributes the miracle to the skin-on-skin care (aka “kangaroo care” technique) she gave to Jaime in the hospital; something that is apparently on the rise in British hospitals.

I love that the world, as much as we think we understand, never stops delivering amazing events like this to remind us that we really don’t understand that much, maybe even it’s that we don’t understand the ultimate stuff that matters.

It is incredible/infuriating/amazing/whatever that if you walked around the Roman Empire around 0 AD, and someone asked you “Ohhh you are from the future! What happens when you die?” and your answer is basically still the same it was back then: I don’t know.

I guess this all falls into the category of “Stuff we weren’t meant to know” for whatever reason. Gives me all the more motivation to extract love and appreciation out of the little things I do understand instead.

Big thanks goes out to Regina Ross for sending this story in as well as DailyMail for the feel-good scoop!

Update #1: Jim provided a link to the MSNBC video covering the story and some clarification that the baby had some “reactionary” movements that doctors dismissed as reflexes after being held for 5 mins or so and wasn’t lifeless the entire 2hrs; just finally came around after 2hrs of holding.

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208 Responses to “Australian Mom Brings Baby Back to Life After 2hrs of Loving Embrace”

  1. Nachow August 27, 2010 at 2:48 am #

    Pretty damn amazing [x

  2. Soendoro Soetanto August 27, 2010 at 3:54 am #

    The power of mother’s love.
    Awesome.

    Soendoro Soetanto

  3. Mary August 27, 2010 at 4:49 am #

    This is highly unlikely. The human brain suffers sever damage after 20 minutes of oxygen deprivation. If that child was truly, clinically dead for 2 hours, then he may have severe mental retardation. (Which is dearly hope is not the case).

    Most likely his life signs were too faint for his mother (who is not a trained physician) to detect while she held him for that time period.

    • Riyad Kalla August 27, 2010 at 5:13 am #

      Mary,

      No doubt the story is unusual enough to prompt a whole slew of additional questions – I was curious myself while writing what the state of the baby is mentally. I’d be curious at age 2 or 3 how he is doing (this was back in March, so he’s at least 5-6 months old now).

      As for the feint heart beat, the doctors did try and revive the baby for 20mins before giving up (no heart beat) and handing the baby to his month. Even if the mother hadn’t detected any heart beat, I would have expected the doctors to be using some sort of equipment to do so… at the least the baby was dead for 20 mins, at the most… well 2 hrs I suppose.

      Anyway you slice the story it’s pretty incredible.

    • angel September 3, 2010 at 1:41 pm #

      Thats just bull do you not think there is a power greater than any man or woman any doctor or nurse God shows his love everyday but until you open your eyes to see all he does for us you will be blind to his work my son had a brain bleed at 3 months old he should have died but he didnt the doctors are amazed he walks, talks, has attitude daily i love it and this shows how powerful prayer is….well it does to me!!!!

      • Riyad Kalla September 3, 2010 at 3:02 pm #

        angel,

        I am really glad to hear your son is alright. It is those types of events that give us the opportunity to be thankful for all the things we have, and focus on all the good around us instead of all the fear and negativity.

      • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 17, 2011 at 12:10 pm #

        No, there is no greater power. I knew some religious kook would insist that is that case. Because you don’t understand something, that doesn’t mean is was “god”.

        There is no god, never was, and you need to start thinking instead of accepting the total BS that is every religion that ever has been.

        Prayer is stupid nonsense. It doesn’t even match random chance in effectiveness. Remember this, “Beliefs, no matter how sincerely held, do not alter fact.”

        It does mean to you because you are unable to accept facts, reject rational thinking, and accept the brainwashing you received as a child.

          • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 4:52 pm #

            I say you are a coward hiding behind your keyboard. Say those things to my face and you will have a life-changing experience, you yellow-bellied moron. hay don’t you be a man and face me personally, I would love that.

            • JC June 25, 2011 at 10:33 pm #

              i would say them to ur face if i knew u and ur the moron fuckass

              • Wig June 26, 2011 at 12:49 pm #

                You mad? GTFO of here punkass faggot XD

            • Bridget/ Mother of three, Business owner, and Happily married for 10yrs! March 2, 2012 at 7:41 am #

              James, I am not religious person myself, but how old are you trying to call people out on a computer? And if this ” miracle” isn’t something your interested in, then why they hell are you reading it? And further more, everything you said had absolutely nothing to do with the story so this also tells me that you probably have no life, no woman, ” or man” and most likely no friends or job or wouldn’t feel the need to “vent” on other people who did absolutely nothing to you. Did you have a bad childhood? :( think you need to accept a fact as well,… You will be a very loney, sad, and ugly old man for the rest of your life if you don’t get a better attitude. The point of all this is miracle or not, it is still amazing!

              • Claire September 2, 2012 at 3:10 pm #

                James, I don’t believe in god either but that doesn’t give me a right to speak down to other people about their beliefs nor does it to you. As for those that replied to your comments with vulgur words, It would be a miracle if they weren’t mentally retarded. Also Bridget way to “Not be a Hypocrite”

            • Cassandra April 8, 2012 at 10:05 am #

              Why ruin such a beautiful story with hateful comments? Bridget is right, it has nothing to do with the story. It actually happened so it has nothing to do with what your beliefs are. Grow up.

        • Matt June 25, 2011 at 2:27 am #

          “You can not convince a believer of anything because their beliefs are not based on evidence, are based on a deep-rooted need to believe. ” Paraphrased, a quote by Carl Sagan.

          The brainwashed cannot be reasoned with. Nor can they be bargained or threatened into sanity. Their illness is one only they alone can chose to overcome, as frustrating as that is to those of us who realize the only thing that comes close to the blessings of a god in this universe is the “miracle” of reason.

          Don’t waste your time on them, so long as they stay in their place.

        • Michael DeRousselle June 25, 2011 at 3:14 pm #

          You know that there is something missing from this “news” story. There is no miracle here. No miracles anywhere, ever.

          • Wig June 26, 2011 at 12:50 pm #

            I hope nobody prays for you on your deathbed and people shit on your grave.

            • Claire September 2, 2012 at 3:12 pm #

              If Bridget should be talking smack to anyone it should be you, you’re likely an Immature, Naive, Old fart who deserves no ones remorse.

        • Ingwa June 25, 2011 at 3:48 pm #

          Pray for world peace. It’s the least you can do.

          • Michael DeRousselle June 26, 2011 at 7:23 am #

            It is literally the least you can do.

        • james the douche September 8, 2011 at 6:14 pm #

          Fuck you James You talk big for a frail old man. You started all this Shit.

        • Paul Houston February 3, 2014 at 11:12 am #

          You got a big mouth smith

      • andrea April 18, 2011 at 7:11 pm #

        Some things we cannot explain, however that doesn’t mean some deity intervenes. Can’t explain it so it god…or something else we can’t explain.

        • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 19, 2011 at 3:08 am #

          Yes, there are some things we cannot explain – yet. The ancient Egyptians could not have explained a simple sailplane because they didn’t know about the laws of aerodynamics. Even a few hundred years ago, no one could explain that bacteria were responsible for most diseases because they didn’t have the tools (microscopes) to see them.

          As better tools become available, there will be more discoveries that explain the natural world. What may seem miraculous and mysterious today will become obvious and commonplace at another time.

          Attributing supernatural sources to what we don’t understand IS far easier than thinking, though.

          • JC June 25, 2011 at 10:32 pm #

            ur the moron you fucking freak

            • ofallthings June 26, 2011 at 8:41 am #

              wow..”ur” and “fucking”..such anti-moronic language from someone who can obviously tell one’s own type.

              bye the way..There is no God. there may be gods, but to think that ONE being created himself and everything else know and not known to man is a little far fetched for someone who doesn’t have a mental disability.

              • stoopid moreon April 8, 2012 at 10:09 am #

                By* the way

            • Claire September 2, 2012 at 3:13 pm #

              REALLY?

      • Steve May 26, 2011 at 4:35 am #

        If God shows his love every day, why this baby and not others? Are we saying God shows favour to some people more than others? Why create natural disasters in some parts of the world but choose to spare the life of this baby?

        Claiming this has anything to do with God only serves to raise far more questions than it answers, and the fact that in 2011 people are still clinging to such ridiculous superstitious nonsense is just embarrassing. What on earth are aliens going to think of such primitive behaviour when they do eventually visit us? They’ll laugh and go off to find a more advanced civilization, I should think.

        No miracle, no God, just something that’s not yet explained or is missing some vital details.

        • Matt June 25, 2011 at 2:30 am #

          Religious tendencies are as much an evolutionary adaptation as tool use.

          Shake in fear, son, for they may be every bit as prone to god delusions as we are, but they will have better technology.

      • Mark March 12, 2012 at 5:05 am #

        If only your God had blessed you with the gift of punctuation.

    • scalab September 14, 2010 at 12:01 pm #

      I have a feeling that won’t be the case!!

    • Jerry April 18, 2011 at 9:15 pm #

      You really can’t just accept the fact that there may be unbelievable things that happen in this world? I can’t imagine a world where we know everything, that is not our purpose on this earth. We were made to be amazed by the power of our Creator.

      • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 19, 2011 at 3:18 am #

        I can easily accept that things we do not yet understand happen. What I cannot accept is the very concept of any god.

        There isn’t one tiny bit of evidence of any god having existed, ever.

        There are millions of instances of things we don’t understand that have later become obvious when we obtain the tools and knowledge to use them.

        For example, the circulation of the blood was unknown before microscope were available to reveal the presence of capillaries connecting arteries and veins. Before that, most physicians believed that the blood was consumed in the stomach and new blood was constantly being manufactured by the body.

        The same physicians, as recently as the 1800s, believed that ill health was caused by an imbalance in “humours” of the body. The black, red, yellow, and white humours had to be brought back into balance by such methods as introducing tobacco smoke into the anus. Because patients sometimes got well, they felt this “confirmed their ideas.

        There is no creator and we should be amazed at the natural world and strive to learn more about it. There is no supernatural explanation needed. Only truth and rational thinking.

        • Steve May 26, 2011 at 4:37 am #

          For once we agree on something. The more we understand the world, the more removed the idea of God becomes. “God” is simply a device used to explain that which we don’t currently understand. Once it was God that kept the planets in orbit; now it’s gravity. Once it was “God” that made the sun shine; now it’s the fusion of hydrogen into heavier elements.

          It’s very sad that people are so ignorant that they cease to ask the questions and think they already have the answers, and that answer is “God”.

          • Riyad Kalla June 1, 2011 at 8:08 am #

            Steve, agreed.

            There are some people that never like what they know to be challenged… EVER. You can spot them pretty readily, as soon as you suggest something outside the realm of main-stream you get an overly aggressive “that’s stupid!” or “what a dumb idea!” out of them.

            I don’t understand why it makes them feel safer to reject everything they don’t already understand… there are amazing discoveries in science, faith, history, culture, etc. made every day… I would hate to reject all that, it is so interesting.

            I have learned to *love* people that will at least consider just about anything (regardless of their spiritual leanings). I respect the hell out of personalities like that… it takes a lot of moxy and patience to be that way. Of course it’s easier to reject/eject ideas out of your brain, but to let everything in and at least give it some thought and consideration… it seems few and far between, but I appreciate it when I see it none the less.

            • Amy June 25, 2011 at 11:51 am #

              And no offence to you, but you seem to be one of those people who ‘ never like what they know to be challenged…’

              That always is what makes me laugh in the whole God debate, people are so quick to criticize Christians for not accepting other points of view and ideas when actually Atheists are far more defensive and unable to take being challenged or even comprehend another way. This makes me feel so sorry for them. As for me, I’m a liberal Christian and respect others and their views but do feel pity for them inside.

              • Stan09874 June 25, 2011 at 6:27 pm #

                Amy – Bottom line, you have no evidence other than the bible to confirm your beliefs.The bible is very old.. and is not accepted as a factual book. I respect your right to have whatever religion you like, but when you start trying to make decisions based on scripture and speculation rather than real life facts, you run into trouble. All the happy ‘god’ thoughts in the world won’t save you from that. Learn to use evidence and maybe atheists will take you seriously.

                • Esme June 25, 2011 at 10:53 pm #

                  EVERYONE, let people believe what they want to believe. You don’t want their beliefs shoved down your throat, don’t shove yours down theirs. Just calm down and move on.

                • Amy June 26, 2011 at 7:33 am #

                  Agreed Esme. It makes me sad when anyone tries to force their beliefs on others, especially those who call themselves Christian. It is not Christian behavior to go knocking on doors, shouting in the streets etc and it creates a bad name for all of us :(

                  As for evidence there is actually a lot if you look for it. Darwin himself admitted he was wrong and turned to Christianity on his deathbed http://carm.org/secular-movements/evolution/did-darwin-become-christian-his-deathbed Although really this doesn’t mean anything, it’s good he turned but evolution actually supports Christianity in many way, I know I believe in it to an extent and most Christians I know do unless they are literalists which is rare these days…

                  So many prophecies made in the bible have come true like, as I say, the invention of planes, countries mixing (diversity), 9/11 and loads of others. There has also been evidence to support the story of Noah’s Ark with unusual fossils being found presumably swept there by some great flood.

                  I’m not going to keep making points or waste time finding more evidence knowing you won’t take any notice, besides then people might think I was trying to shove Christianity down your throat which is kind of hypocritical and the LAST thing I want to do, I just wanted to show that there is evidence out there. If you want real evidence looking closely at the human body is a great place to start anyway. Good luck with your beliefs and God bless :) x

                  Think what you like of me, it doesn’t bother me :) – I still care deeply about each and every one of you and would hate for anything bad to happen to you or for you to be unhappy. x

                • Michael DeRousselle June 26, 2011 at 8:03 am #

                  Amy, Darwin did not convert on his deathbed and there are no prophecies in the Bible. It is not a prophecy unless you can recognize the event predicted before it happens. Christian apologetic websites are notorious for the lies they propagate.

                • ofallthings June 26, 2011 at 8:46 am #

                  to a later amy comment on it not being “christian behavior” to knock on peoples doors..it actually is. read scripture. Mark 16:15 “He said to them, ‘Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation’”

                • Amy June 26, 2011 at 9:32 am #

                  When it says go and preach good news personally I don’t think knocking on peoples doors and disrupting their lives is what was meant… Things like that only seem to be seen negatively.

                  I don’t know about the Darwin thing, I only know what I was told and I tend not to believe things I’ve been told unless I have proof to back it up, but even if he didn’t as I say, it doesn’t really make any difference.

                  As for the prophecies these were written years and years ago, long before these events happened and then they have. In my mind that’s a prophecy being fulfilled.

                  I’m agreed with BJ, God does love you all very much, even though the things you do can break his heart he still loves you and cares, just like I try to. I’ll be praying for you guys as well :) x

        • BJ June 26, 2011 at 8:52 am #

          I’m praying for you, as you will soon be proven wrong. There is a God and he loves you very much.

  4. Brooks Riley August 29, 2010 at 7:51 am #

    In Christian Science we call this healing. Amazing story, thanks for sharing!

    • Oyong August 29, 2010 at 5:55 pm #

      Lot miracles happen, God is with us in times we needed Him dearly….

      • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 17, 2011 at 12:11 pm #

        Total BS, only a fool would believe in any god.

        • Jim S. April 17, 2011 at 12:14 pm #

          Only a fool would believe he knows everything.

          • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 17, 2011 at 12:28 pm #

            You mean a fool like you? Show us in iota of proof of the existence of any god. For that matter, show me where I, or anyone else, has said they know everything.

            Like most theists, you never read what is there, but what you want to believe. That’s how you can accept the lies and myths of the babble.

            BTW, doesn’t your babble say something about stating “thou fool”? But of course, you only want to hear about the parts that make you feel good about your own actions.

              • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 4:54 pm #

                YOU are definitely a coward and a mental defective. You cannot even think of an original insult.

                Tell you what, I’ll pay your way from wherever you are hiding to where I am and them we’ll see how brave you are.

                The ball is on the yellow side of the court. Put up or shut up.

                • oh its on. April 18, 2011 at 4:59 pm #

                  oh its on. lemme get your address ill fly my heli right over?

              • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 5:15 pm #

                I can be reached on Yahoo messenger at slrman420. Yes, it can be on.

                • Claire September 2, 2012 at 3:23 pm #

                  I can’t believe I’m on your side James but you deserve better than this. People shouldn’t be talked down to the way you’re being talked to. (I embrace that I am one hell of a hypocrite.) Also, Judge Judy Shut the Fuck up you Dumb Bitch, don’t you ever use that word you stupid twat. ( I do realize that isn’t fuckin Judge Judy, but whom ever is hiding behind that name deserves to have his fucking dick ripped off {I’m assuming it’s a man} and shoved up his asshole). Unlike most people on this site I have an excuse to be Immature I’m only 17.

            • Jerry April 18, 2011 at 9:19 pm #

              At the same time, show me the proof that God does not exist. I can say the same thing. It’s called faith for a reason, and without faith, we can achieve nothing. I sincerely hope that you begin to realize this later in your life. Whether you believe me or not, I could care less what makes me feel better or worse about my religion. Whether you believe in God is your choice, and I am not here to shove it down your throat. Just down shove atheism down other peoples throats.

              • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 19, 2011 at 3:27 am #

                Theists are the ones making the outrageous claims. You are the ones with the burden of proof. If I told you I had in vented an anti-gravity belt, would you step of a tall building wearing it before I proved it worked? Or would you “take a leap of faith?”

                You theists do shove your beliefs down other people’s throats. Y0u vote your beliefs into law. You insist upon a free ride on everything from taxes to common courtesy. You want to use public money to put up symbols of your religion yet protest wildly when it is pointed out that it is illegal to do so and also scream down the mountains when a private group uses their own money to put up a billboard like “Good without god? Millions are.”

                What you call “shoving atheism down people’s throats” is nothing more than stating facts and pointing out fallacies.

                Show me one bit of proof of any god, Thor, Zeus, Ra, Aphrodite, or anyone you choose. I know you want to quote the babble, but I can demonstrate easily that it is contradictory, untrue, and nothing more than a badly-translated, politically edited collection of myths and lies.

                • Will Dean June 26, 2011 at 10:34 am #

                  There is no 100% proof of ANYTHING in this world. Scientific theories are being proved wrong everyday as you yourself stated earlier.

                  For those who believe that their religion is greater than all others: don’t be absurd. The only reason you have your religion is that you were brought up with it. But the same goes for those who believe there is no greater power. If you could give me proof that there is no “God”, I would be extremely surprised.

                  If you don’t want to spend a lifetime trying to find that proof, at least answer this question: If there is no greater power, then where did it all begin? What was there before the universe was created?

                  If your answer is “nothing”, then you, sir, have lost all credibility. Because, as I’m sure you know, science says that energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

                  If this is, indeed, the case, then it can be assumed that there was no beginning, and there will be no end. In my book, this is just as infeasible as there being “nothing”. If you don’t see what I mean, then take a couple days and try counting to infinity. Don’t you think that if the universe had existed FOREVER, we would have these answers by now instead of fighting like primates?

                  I am not disregarding the idea that there is no god, nor should you disregard the idea that there is a god. You need to expand your mind and, at least for now, live and let live. We will all find out who’s right soon enough . . .

            • jamesLoves"GOD" June 23, 2011 at 11:39 am #

              STFU james! thanks and gig em’

            • JMO June 25, 2011 at 8:29 pm #

              youre all a bunch of fuckin morons youre all right and wrong…for fuck sake do some studying read the bible read the ancient sumerian archives and maybe watch some zeitgeist.. then ill hear out an opinion and that opinion might be half ass rational.. fuckin retarded religious freaks and atheist ass clowns. seriously i cant believe how close minded yall are.. its called research as in understanding other cultures religions and beliefs not just a few of them…ALL OF THEM. oh and btw we are all created in the image of god if you do your research ya might understand what i mean… but first you must understand who OUR “god” was before you can begin to understand who really is our god.

          • andrea April 18, 2011 at 7:13 pm #

            And only a fool would just accept some mysterious divine power to explain what they cannot. Sorta like throwing a virgin into a volcano to stop it…volcano doesn’t explode so only possible answer is: the volcano god was pleased…..

        • Brynn June 25, 2011 at 9:13 pm #

          You are in so much denial. Many people have set out on quests to disprove the existence of God and during their journey finding so much evidence that there is God that they became radical believers. You don’t have to believe in God but don’t attack other people for what they believe in. Even Charles Darwin wrote that even after his findings he still thought it impossible that there is no God/creator.

    • LOL March 25, 2011 at 1:03 am #

      Christian.. science? Surely an oxymoron.

    • Stan09874 June 25, 2011 at 6:29 pm #

      interesting. then what do you call this i wonder?
      http://www.wrn.com/2011/04/no-new-trial-for-prayer-death-parents/

  5. Jesse September 1, 2010 at 12:46 pm #

    “Naked I came from my mother’s womb, And naked I shall return there. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away. Blessed be the name of the LORD.” – Job 1:21

    Praise the LORD! God is truly amazing… even a trained physician couldn’t understand (or begin to explain) the suddenness of this modern day miracle. Simply amazing :)

    • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 17, 2011 at 12:31 pm #

      And anything you can’t understand (that’s apparently most things) is automatically “god did it”.

      When you quote the babble, you are essentially admitting you are unable to think for yourself and would rather accept a badly-translated, politically edited, collection of lies and bronze-age myths.

      What disappointing examples of humanity you theists are.

      • well... April 18, 2011 at 4:55 pm #

        douchebag

        • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 5:18 pm #

          I’m sorry, I don’t have any more time to devote to helping you demonstrate what a fool, coward and total jerk you are. You’ll have to do it on your own now. But not to worry. You’ve been doing fine so far.

          Everyone can see what you are and I am sure so many are very proud of you that the posts of support will be pouring in very soon.

          So keep it up, they might be one or two that are not convinced of your total worthlessness as a human being.

          • Stop Trolling May 29, 2011 at 4:20 am #

            Although I agree with many of your statements, just stop talking. Nobody here is going to cave no matter how much of your scientific(atheist) beliefs you “enlighten” them to. They are already religious and you aren’t going to change that. If you really want everyone to read your thoughts, write a book. All that really matters is that this baby survived and it is truly a miracle. I can’t attribute god to it, but that is the beauty of not knowing some things(no right answer). So, if there is no right answer, then why are you arguing. All in all, stop trolling…

            • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil May 29, 2011 at 5:56 am #

              Who do you think you are to tell me or anyone to “stop talking”? Have you never heard of freedom of speech?

              If you don’t like it, don’t read it. No one is forcing you to do it.

              I have no illusions about convincing any theist of anything. You cannot reason a person away from a position they did not reach through reason. That does not mean I cannot dispute them or express my facts. Nor does it mean I cannot ask that they furnish proof of their statements.

              It is NOT a miracle that this baby lived. It is a wonderful and good thing. But just because it is not instantly obvious how it happened does not mean it is a miracle.

              The ancient Egyptians would have thought a simple sailplane was a miracle because the didn’t understand the laws of aerodynamics. If they had,thy could have used papyrus, linen, and bamboo to construct their own gliders. Ignorance is curable. Willful ignorance is not and deserves the contempt and derision it receives.

              Don’t tell me what to do, you arrogant asshole. Responding to others is not trolling, but I wouldn’t expect an idiot like you to know that.

              • Christopher September 14, 2011 at 9:40 am #

                You are truly a pathetic excuse for a human being. Everyone of your convictions is a contradiction of it self. I think you just like hearing yourself sound like an asshole. Doesn’t matter if there is a God or not you will continue to be miserable and if do have a friend (unlikly) they are most definitely as wretched as yourself.

                I find it quite amusing that you of all people continually call people cowards when you sit at home spewing insults from behind a computer screen your self. Your rants reflect yout true nature. You sir are a cowardly, hypocritical,fool who for one reason or another finds it heroic to hide behind your first amendment rights to show your disdain for fellow humans and their right to have their on view of the world they live in.

                Good day sir,

      • Carolyn Blake June 25, 2011 at 4:26 am #

        A bit angry are we there James?

        • Stan09874 June 25, 2011 at 6:31 pm #

          he has a right to be angry, and i do too. atheists are ridiculed with ad-hominem arguments when they try to make factual arguments and have debates with theists. it’s disgusting, and ridiculous.

    • andrea April 18, 2011 at 7:14 pm #

      God did it doesn’t explain anything either. Which gods BTW, there have been 1000′s , each with their fanatical supporters.

  6. Namow September 2, 2010 at 6:17 am #

    To God be the Glory. Human beings can scratch and scratch trying to find answers. We have to believe there is a greater being that us that lead the doctors to ask the mother to hold the baby. Some things we do or think is not on our own. This world is going nuts and we have to continually pray.

    • Jesus Christ June 24, 2011 at 2:06 am #

      Are you for real? I can’t even tell if you are being sarcastic or not you sound so ridiculous.

    • Amy June 25, 2011 at 12:29 pm #

      Amen!!. – We are in the end times and you’re right! The world is going crazy, just as it says in the bible. Even airplanes and 9/11 have been predicted in the bible and have come true. We just gotta hold on through all this and take comfort in the fact we are at peace unlike so many others. What’s the use in debating and fighting? Show God through how we act and our lifestyles. Show the peace we have.

  7. Jim September 3, 2010 at 5:44 am #

    In an interview this morning the mother said the baby stirred after holding it for 5 minutes, and then over the next 2 hours stirred more and more. She was told the movements were involuntary at first, but after 2 hours I think the medical team changed their minds :)

    • Riyad Kalla September 3, 2010 at 8:50 am #

      Jim,

      Interesting find – do you have a link or more info about the interview that could be found online?

      That does put a more “logical” spin on the story and if it’s true, I think deserves to be included up in the original post.

      • Jim September 3, 2010 at 9:19 am #

        http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38988444/ns/today-parenting/

        “But a strange thing happened on their way to farewell. After five minutes, Jamie began displaying short, startled movements. As Kate and David looked on, his movements became more pronounced.

        Still, the baby’s doctor told the parents any movements were purely reflex, and their son was not alive.”

        • Riyad Kalla September 3, 2010 at 9:25 am #

          Excellent, thanks for the link. I’ve added it to the story.

  8. Jim September 3, 2010 at 9:22 am #

    Also, I heard a pastor’s testimony that his wife was thought dead when she was born and was left by the doctor. A nurse didn’t want to give up on her and few minutes later she was fine.

    • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 3:58 am #

      And this proves what? That you want to believe everything you don’t understand is god? Or that you are a moron that finds religion easier than thinking?

      • Judge Judy April 18, 2011 at 4:49 pm #

        http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-07-14/1247574906013.jpg
        .

        • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 4:56 pm #

          Still can’t think of anything original can you? I am not surprised. You have already demonstrated that you have all of the mental prowess of a doorknob.

          • LOL April 18, 2011 at 5:07 pm #

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svwGRJA28lY

          • Kiki June 24, 2011 at 7:27 pm #

            James, I agree with much, well all, of what you say… but DAMN you need to get a life dude! Does it make you feel better to argue with strangers on the internet? Your arguments are all the same, angry, testosterone fueled challenges to fight.
            Trust me, i know how incredibly frustrating it is to talk to people who don’t see reason, but you are making all atheists look bad!

            Oh, and please don’t call me a moron, tell me I don’t have balls (which I don’t, but I sure as hell have some estrogen fueled rage of my own), or offer to fly me over there to fight with you. I’m not going to tell you to stop talking, because you have every right to talk as I am doing now. I just ask that you seriously chill the F**K out.

            • Stan09874 June 25, 2011 at 6:35 pm #

              James seems to be a reasonable person, its unfortunate that the religious respond to his arguments with name-calling. Then again if someone told me I believed in a lie I wouldn’t want to accept it either.

  9. Krystal September 3, 2010 at 11:23 am #

    THIS IS TRULY A MIRCLE, WE HEAR A WHOLE LOT OF BAD THINGS ON THE NEWS EVERY DAY IT IS REALLY INSPIRING TO HEAR SUCH A WONDERFUL STORY I LOVE IT : )

    • Riyad Kalla September 3, 2010 at 3:04 pm #

      Krystal,

      It would be a lot nicer if good deeds, acts of kindness and happiness were things that got viewers to news programs… it does get a bit exhausting to watch hours of television and be inundated with murder, crime, disaster and destitution.

      I think the world challenges all of us to either be better people and lead happier live and enjoy our own experiences… or wallow in that pity and negativity until we just can’t handle it any more and hole up in our houses out of anger or fear.

      I like to troll YouTube every once in a while looking for feel-good videos that really bring out the best in people. Those always make me feel better and give a face to the better side of humanity that most news stations don’t touch unfortunately.

  10. Gwen Marlowe September 3, 2010 at 11:42 am #

    We read about miracles in the Bible BUT this is 2010 and God is still working miracles.

    • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 17, 2011 at 12:13 pm #

      What god? What miracle? There are no miracles, only things you don’t understand so attributing it to superstition is much easier than thinking. That’s something you seem to be ill-equipped to do anyway, so go on with your delusions. Just stop trying to force them on everyone else by voting them into law.

      • AMERICA HAS SOMETHING TO SAY April 18, 2011 at 4:54 pm #

        douchebag

        • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 5:00 pm #

          And you will be a bag of bloody broken bones if you ever have the nerve to face me personally. Even then, it’s better treatment than a intellectual, ethical, and physical coward like you deserves.

          Come on, little boy, you want to face me personally or will you continue to hide behind your computer? That was a rhetorical question because we all know the answer with people like you.

          BTW, I am sure you consider yourself to be a “good christian” too. I am sure ll the other “good christians on here are going to come to your support and tell you what a fine, brave person you are.

          Come on religious reich, let’s hear it for the computer coward!

          • lol April 18, 2011 at 5:08 pm #

            you must have read down

    • Jesus Christ June 24, 2011 at 2:09 am #

      LOL Tell that to all of the starving children in Africa and the rest of the world. God really seems to care about saving human lives, eh?

  11. Screw God September 3, 2010 at 4:54 pm #

    You people are moronic.

    When this “miracle” happened, 10,000 other people died horrendous deaths. Howcome no one points out the fact that no miracle happened for them? So for the one person who didin’t die, thats a miracle and proof god exists, but for the 10,000 who died at that exact moment in time, no “miracle” happened.

    Learn common sense; 1:10,000 does not prove god exists, it proves the exact opposite.

    Number of people dying as I wrote this; far too many to count. Number of miracles that happened for them; none.

    I guess they were all non-believers (highly unlikely), or I guess god just didin’t like them. Get real people.

    Anytime something “good” happens, its an act of god and a miracle, anytime something horrible happens (far more often than times good things happen), no one religious says anything. Theres only 2 conclusions that can be reached; either god doesnt exist (duh), or god plays favorites.

    • Jim S. September 3, 2010 at 7:02 pm #

      There is no need for name calling. We are all going to die eventually, but sometimes God uses moments like this to touch a lot of people and show that He is out there.

      • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 17, 2011 at 12:16 pm #

        What god? Furnish some proof. I’ll be happy to furnish plenty that there is not god. But you make the outrageous claims, so you have to prove yours.

        If your “god” does this, why is he allowing 27,000 children around the world to be dying of starvation and malnutrition at any moment?

        Don’t be a fool, start thinking for yourself.

    • Screw YOU September 16, 2010 at 6:17 pm #

      BLAH! BLAH! BLAH!

    • Screw YOU September 16, 2010 at 6:18 pm #

      BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! Screw GOD your face! hahaha

      • Vickky March 24, 2011 at 9:14 pm #

        Damn troll shut the hell up. Just because 10K died doesn’t make it proof that there isn’t a God. Your logic is flawed, not to mention you sound like a hypocrite, and a child. If you’re going to call a religious group of people out at least don’t sound like a folly childish twit by using ill-reputed logic.

        • LOL March 25, 2011 at 1:06 am #

          I fail to see the ill-reputed logic. So one life is worth the 10,000, therefore God exists?

          Shouldn’t Christians want to get to heaven faster?

        • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 17, 2011 at 12:18 pm #

          That’s a typical christian response. You tell anyone that disagrees with your delusions to shut up. Meanwhile, you demand “respect” where none is earned and the right to push your own sick beliefs on everyone else and to brainwash children to believe your own nonsense.

          Theists are sick, foolish people.

          • John June 4, 2011 at 7:47 am #

            You sir, are the one pushing your own sick beliefs on others.

        • Ratatatat April 17, 2011 at 1:24 pm #

          One unsolved mystery doesn’t prove god, just as 10,000 deaths doesn’t disprove god. You can’t use logical rationale when discussing god because there’s no way to disprove him. The scientific method can’t even be applied because god is a circular argument and completely untestable as a hypothesis.

          • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 3:39 am #

            Yes, god can be disproved. Theists only insist he cannot so they can continue to spread their delusions and evil throughout the world.

            • dear god man, havent you seen the little mermaid? April 18, 2011 at 4:52 pm #

              faggot

              • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 5:03 pm #

                How interesting that the only insult you can think of is of a sexual nature. Does this reflect your christian “tolerance” toward gays? Or does it reflect your own secret desires?

                Considering that you know nothing about me, it is typical theist arrogance to assume you can make moral judgements about someone that you only know is an atheist. But judging people is what christians do most often. never mind the “judge not least you be judged” part of the babble. You can safely ignore the inconvenient parts when you are being a genuine jerk.

          • Jesus Christ June 24, 2011 at 2:16 am #

            Reread the comment noob. It never said that this proved God doesn’t exist, it merely said that was a possibility. The other possibility is that God does exist but does not care, he he does exist but does not have the power to perform miracles, but then he wouldn’t really be a God would he (or she, or it)? Of course, you might claim that “God works in ways that we cannot understand”. The truth is there is no way that anyone could then prove you wrong, as that may be true. However, if for example I was sitting in a room with you, and the curtains billowed, I could claim that they were pushed by invisible fairies. Even though it is more likely that the wind pushed them, there is no way for you to disprove me with absolute certainty.

        • andrea April 18, 2011 at 7:17 pm #

          Please explain the logic of: baby died, no it didn’t…logical conclusion…dog. Sorry dyslexic…god

        • andrea April 18, 2011 at 7:18 pm #

          Please explain the logic of: baby died, no it didn’t…logical conclusion…dog. Sorry dyslexic…god

          Troll, you mean all the blind religious fanatics, spewing their superstitious beliefs (god, allah, neptune, aries, thor, odin), trying to rile the logical people.

  12. anwar September 3, 2010 at 5:15 pm #

    Surah Albaqarah: It is my Lord (Allah) Who gives life and death” (2:260).

    • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 4:01 am #

      Islam is another phony religion and is one of the worst, most violent forces on earth today. Mohammed was a liar and a child molester. Muslims today claiming to be “moderate” are also liars. They condone the violent extremests by not speaking out.

      • jamesLoves"GOD" June 23, 2011 at 11:47 am #

        wow,

        never heard such an ignorant argument. How about you do a little research before you go on about talking all this smack. God exists, he may not. U understand it You may not. You like the cock in your ass, or in your mouth. its your choice. freedom of religion goes hand in hand with freedom of speech. and yes sir I wouldl ike to meet you to talk to u personally. so please give me your address so you can be educated face to face.

        and as for Islam — islam is the one religion that doesn’t deviate from science. There is no religion without science, there is not science without religion.

        “Science without Religion Is Lame, Religion without Science Is Blind” – Einstein

      • The White Death June 25, 2011 at 1:54 pm #

        You know, I actually thought you were serious until I read this comment.

  13. tess September 8, 2010 at 2:02 pm #

    to those of you that say this proves that god doesnt exist, i hope you will be saved… god does exist… look at the smile on a newborn babies face, look at the old man who had a heart attack that should have killed him but got a new lease on life with a new heart. yes, someone had to die for that heart, but that person was a miracle for the person who got the heart…. im not super sure that “god” is the one that does all of this, but in one way or another, things get done… and when people die, i like to think of it as they are going home. if it is heaven or someplace else that is nice, everyone goes somewhere when we die… i firmly believe that. and would you consider it a bad thing that a person who has been fighting cancer for years and years, finally gives in? i look at that as they have gone onto a better place and wont be suffering anymore… i’ve said my peace now!

    • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 17, 2011 at 12:21 pm #

      First of all, it’s “piece” not “peace”. But I don’t expect any theists to be well-versed in anything, not even their own religion. Instead, you accept what you have been told without question, while rejecting facts and rational thinking.

      When people die, they cease to exist except in the memories of those that cared for them. There is not god and no one has ever produced any evidence there is. Get over it and start living a life of rational thinking, and living well for yourself and others.

      If you need a system of threats and rewards to behave like a decent human being, you are already lost as a good person.

      • in your picture... April 18, 2011 at 4:43 pm #

        was that the only time you smiled?

        well cuzzz… http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FJkCP6ubr-A/TZ4ePvSy0WI/AAAAAAAAACY/Fij7abm2en0/s1600/your_a_fag1.jpg

        • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 5:06 pm #

          No I smile after I make people like you look like the morons they are. In this case, I was smiling before I left on a one-month European tour.

          Would you like to see me smile again? Accept my offer of a free trip here. That would make me smile a lot. :D

          • Missing my Friend April 18, 2011 at 7:39 pm #

            I’ll take you up on that free trip! I’m missing my best guy friend who was a foreign exchange student from Brazil. I’m glad you smile. There are too many people taking too many thing seriously these days.

            • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 19, 2011 at 3:32 am #

              Sorry, the free trip is only available to the moron that is hiding behind the internet to post juvenile, unoriginal, sexual innuendos that are in extremely bad taste. Obviously, that cowardly individual never wants to meet me face to face like a decent human being.

              I’m sorry to hear about your friend. Where in Brazil does he live? I have many contacts in the Policia and the government system here. Perhaps I can help?

              • Missing my Friend April 19, 2011 at 2:57 pm #

                He lives in Belo Horizonte. He’s kind of arrogant, but not in a bad way. I’m actually trying to get a job so I can save up to visit him sometime, but it’s kind of hard to get a job I guess. Brazil looks like a very beautiful place though, and being able to see my friend again would just be amazing.

                • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 19, 2011 at 3:12 pm #

                  Belo Horizonte is a nice place. Personally, I think where I am is better, but maybe if I lived in BH, I;d think differently ;)

                  I have a few videos of where I live. Go to http://www.tubewatcher.tv and enter slrman in the search box at the top right. It will take you to all of my videos. You may have to scroll through them a bit to find the ones about Brazil, because I have made more from a Flight Simulator. I’ve had request from some people for specific types of videos from it and I try to accommodate them when I can.

                  As we say here, Boa Sorte Com O Trabalho. (good luck with the job) :D

  14. Gina V November 18, 2010 at 8:24 am #

    What a beautiful story! God Bless

  15. LOL March 25, 2011 at 1:08 am #

    This is an amazing story but it’s not proof of God. Don’t read into things that aren’t there.

    I thought when you grew up, you stopped believing in fairy tales.

    • GG March 25, 2011 at 8:42 pm #

      Dude, why all the hate? If you don’t agree, don’t agree. No need to be nasty.

      • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 17, 2011 at 12:24 pm #

        Nasty? Then when the religious reich spews their hate and kill people that disagree with them, that’s not being nasty?

        You can disagree with anything but religion, that is supposed to get a free ride on everything from taxes to truth.

        Most of the problems of the world are, and always have been, caused by religion. For example, Northern Ireland, the Middle East, and family planning clinic bombing in the USA. Then there were the crusades, the inquisition, and the dark ages. Get the idea?

        Humanity will never truly be free until the black yoke of religion is lifted by the clear light of truth and rational thinking.

        • My name is James Smith João Pessoa April 17, 2011 at 7:00 pm #

          i am a douche bag

          • yea April 17, 2011 at 7:02 pm #

            THAT GUY SUCKS. I BET HE HAS NO FRWENDSSS HAHA

            • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 4:03 am #

              Well another coward hiding behind a keyboard. Or are you the same one hiding twice? What is obvious is that you are an uneducated moron that doesn’t know how to turn off the Caps Lock key and can’t spell.

              Want to try again and say something remotely intelligent? Oops sorry. You can’t do that, can you?

          • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 3:43 am #

            And you are an intellectual, ethical, and moral coward hiding behind a keyboard to say things you would never dare say to my face; not if you wanted to still have a face.

            But yellow cowards like you never seem to mind how much they show themselves to be rotten examples of human beings.

            Any time you feel you’d like to be a man, let me know and we’ll see up close and personal, how brave you are.

            • to james smith April 18, 2011 at 4:41 pm #

              http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/your_a_faggot.jpg

              • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 5:09 pm #

                Wow, you really are a one-trick pony aren’t you. Tell us. Do you take stupid pills or are you like that naturally. I’m guessing the pills. Anyone like that naturally would be in an institution where they can wear those nice gray nightgowns and are taken care of by those nice young men in their clean white coats. Ha ha, ho ho, hee hee, they’re coming to take you away.

                • oh nooo April 18, 2011 at 5:14 pm #

                  im sooo scared… im watching the nba playoffs good bye loser.

                • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 5:29 pm #

                  It’s “I’m” not “Im” But you really don;t care about little things like grammar, spelling, proper English do you? But facts and rational thinking are not part of your world view as either, are they.

  16. Sandra April 16, 2011 at 11:40 am #

    What a beautiful story, but I don’t think God had anything to do with it…

  17. Becky April 17, 2011 at 6:55 pm #

    this is a tender mercy from Heavenly Father. He loves his children so much more than we can comprehend. even if you don’t believe in a deity, you cannot deny how touching this is that the baby survived…

    • andrea April 18, 2011 at 7:21 pm #

      touching…yes, happy ending….yes? Divinity NO.
      I lost a tooth and in the morning there was a $1.00 under my pillow. Proof of a miracle, a tooth becomes a$1.00 better than water into wine!

    • Jesus Christ June 24, 2011 at 2:25 am #

      There are around 150 rapes every two hours just in the U.S. I guess God didn’t think it would be a good idea to stop those. You should stop seeing and hearing only what you want to, choosing to ignore the facts that present an argument against your point of view. That’s like if someone said they followed the Bible, but they don’t stone women who get married and aren’t virgins. What kind of a person would be so hypocritical?

      • Amy June 26, 2011 at 10:44 am #

        That’s the old testament. – The second half makes it pretty clear stoning is not an option. Jesus himself even stopped them stoning a women who had committed adultery and forgave her. Gave her a second chance. Christianity is all about forgiveness.

  18. alec April 17, 2011 at 7:05 pm #

    science cant explain how this happened. therefore its a miracle.

    case closed

    now is their a god?
    who the fuck knows, but what we do kno is that that baby somehow came back to life and there is no scientific explanation. like thats crazy. maybe their is some higher being out there.

    • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 3:45 am #

      First, it’s” there”, not “their”.

      You think there is not scientific explanation? What you mean is, you can’t be bothered to think about it, so “it must be god”. When you have so little intellect that thinking is nearly impossible for you, that’s the easy way out, isn’t it?

      • is this you when you were younger? April 18, 2011 at 4:51 pm #

        pussydestroyer

        • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 5:10 pm #

          Still with the sexual references. You seem to have a serious problem. Do the courts know about this? I am sure they have a nice registry for you to be in.

  19. Heather April 18, 2011 at 12:33 pm #

    How about you just look at this story and think about how awesome it is that this baby lived. Why do you have to be so set on being argumentative. You are wasting your time. I don’t think that the title of this story is “Is God real or not”, nor is it called “correct others spelling in an attempt to win said argument”. This isn’t a debate. I’m not just talking about the arguments against the existance of God, I’m talking about both arguments. Take the story as it is. Some believe it’s a miracle, some believe it’s just coincidence, some believe it has some other reason. How about you spend some time being a little more tolerant of other people? Maybe the reason that there is so much hatred in the world is because people make sweeping statements and arguments that are stocked full of generalizations. You don’t know every single Christian in the world.

    That said. This is an incredible story. And nothing said in this comment fourm can take that away.

    • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 2:01 pm #

      You must be a christian. Every christian I have ever known, and I have probably known more than you, when confronted about the falsehoods of their religion, tells me to “shut up” you don’t know what you’re talking about.”

      The story isn’t even awesome. It ignores well-known facts about the human physiology. Very young children, even newborns are far more resilient than adults. There have been many well-verified accounts of young children surviving drownings where they have been immersed longer than 20 minutes or even 30 minutes and survived with no ill effects. IN an attempt to assign another thing they can’t be bothered to understand, theists insist “god did it”.

      Then, when some rational thinker comes along and points out the fallacies in their thinking, people like you get very defensive and say, in effect, “Just STFU and leave us to our delusions.” I’d be happy to allow you to do that but theists always insist upon forcing their sick, twisted beliefs upon everyone else.

      The reason there is so much hatred in the world is because of religion.

      Most of the problems of the world are, and always have been, caused by religion. For example, Northern Ireland, the Middle East, and family planning clinic bombing in the USA. Then there were the crusades, the inquisition, and the dark ages. Get the idea?

      Humanity will never truly be free until the black yoke of religion is lifted by the clear light of truth and rational thinking.

      • love April 18, 2011 at 3:59 pm #

        What ever happened in your life to make you so cynical? Why must you persist in trying to crush the hope and faith of so many people- what joy does it bring you? I beg you to again write that I must be Christian because I’m telling you to shut up but why must we listen to what you say when you believe that what we say is considered “beliefs being shoved down your throat.” Don’t like what you read? Let it be and do something else with your time.

        • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 4:19 pm #

          So what are you saying? It’s OK for the religious reich here to carry on about their “miracles” and “god’s mercy” but not OK for anyone to disagree with them? The difference is, I use facts and rational thinking. Do you think that is not fair? Maybe it isn’t, both are fatal to any religion.

          What has happened to me? Every time in my life that I have been cheated, taken advantage of, or betrayed in any way, it has always been by a “good christian.” I know there are certainly honest, sincere, trustworthy christians in the world. But, if you had been consistently misused by red-haired people, even though you knew some must be good people, wouldn’t you be a bit cautious in dealing with red heads?

          Then consider that religious people like to vote their beliefs into law and the concept pf truth, the Constitution, or even simple human decency doesn’t matter to them when doing this, I have lots of reason to distrust and oppose people that would restrict my freedom of speech, personal liberties, and my actions. Christians are the most arrogant, untrustworthy people in the world and need to be taught to stop imposing their immoral attitudes upon everyone else.

          Don’t tell me all morality comes from religion, either. If you need a system of rewards and punishments to keep you from running amoke and doing terrible things, you really have no morality.

          Atheists do the right thing because it is right and ultimately the best for everyone. Whatever happened in my life? Christians and religion happened. Then I learned to think for myself. You should try it. Yes, it is disturbing at first, but the rewards are beyond price.

          • dude... April 18, 2011 at 5:02 pm #

            your so angry… its sad.

            • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 5:21 pm #

              Angry? You haven’t seen angry. But come on down and I’ll let you experience it “up close and personal” It will be difficult to tell because I will be smiling the entire time.

              It’s a free ticket to Brazil. What could possibly go wrong?

            • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 5:22 pm #

              Oh, and it’s “you’re” not “your” but I understand that, with your level of education and mental agility, they are all the same to you.

              • Anthony June 24, 2011 at 1:41 am #

                That last guy wasn’t even attacking you and your first response was to pick the poor guy apart. Then threaten him with a trip to see you. Sure,you can attack everyone here that believes in God… but doesn’t it invalidate your own argument about how wrong it is to attack them? Don’t get me wrong. Religion has done some pretty messed up things. I’m just surprised somehow who has this much hatred towards religion is bothering with shaking up in the interwebs.

                I enjoy a good religion bashing every now and then. This just… it feels wrong. Have you freedom of speech and enjoy it, but geez louise, you take the cake on being an asshole about it.

                • Anthony June 24, 2011 at 1:42 am #

                  Siiiigh. And before I can be torn a new one for it.

                  *your

              • Wtf is your problem James? April 8, 2012 at 12:47 pm #

                It doesn’t matter what anyone says, whatever opinion or comment someone puts out there you have something rude to say. Why must you correct everyone’s grammar? Like who really cares. Unless you’re the human Dictionary? When you say people are hiding behind a computer screen, do you expect them to jump out and attack you? Or that they would waste so much time as to go to Brazil and find you, like you seemed to have wasted so much of your time on here Criticizing every single thing everyone has to say. Leave them alone! They have a right to their own opinions, and you’re just abusing yours, making yourself sound like a freaking broken record. I think this is a beautiful article and you just butchered it you Asshole.

    • andrea April 18, 2011 at 7:26 pm #

      I don’t need to know every Christian to know their belief system is based on superstition and human fallability. Talking to a burning bush (sounds like a Peyote trip), building a boat that holds 2 of EVERY creature on earth, along with supplies for 40 days and nights….

      I don’t know every Nazi ever born, but I do know they were not humanitarians.
      Faith, believing something is true with no evidence.

      Yours truly,
      High priest of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, grand ruler of all that ever was, is or will be. You can’t refute this because you you can’t disprove him….religious logic. All miracles are because of him.

  20. ChipDonahue April 18, 2011 at 4:19 pm #

    Nope. The baby just happened to come back to life after two hours while the mother just happened to be holding it?

    Why was she holding a two hour old dead baby anyway?

    • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 4:26 pm #

      First of all, there is not conclusive proof that the baby was dead. Next, it wasn’t two hours, it was 5 minutes. Yes, the mother may have been told that the “Movements were involuntary” but that doesn’t mean it was true.

      As I mentioned elsewhere, very young children, even newborns, are far more resilient than adults. I doubt this baby was really dear at all. I think this was another medical mistake, which are far too common.

      I sincerely hope this child has no ill effects, but based on similar incident that are well-documented, I think the chances are very good. The child is now what, two years old? Maybe someone knows of a follow-up? I would love to see it.

      • HEY BRAZIL GUY April 18, 2011 at 4:39 pm #

        http://images.myspace.drewpydraws.com/justin-04-faggot.JPG

        • ok i feel kinda bad about all the faggot stuff April 18, 2011 at 5:11 pm #

          but you did it to yourself. you cant just let these people be happy. its sad.

        • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 18, 2011 at 5:12 pm #

          You are really boring. Come on down and I’ll help you to be more interesting. :D You will look, walk, talk, and think differently forever.

          • :D April 18, 2011 at 5:53 pm #

            trollface

    • andrea April 18, 2011 at 7:27 pm #

      Some people hold their dead for days, war camps, starving people in africa, grief.

  21. ... April 19, 2011 at 7:15 pm #

    I can’t believe how ignorant each and everyone of you are being right now. There is no reason to bring down one another. All you guys are doing are yelling at each other and only listening to one side of the story. I would like to say I believe in G-d and I am a Biology major. I believe in science and religion. Some of you may think that is idiotic, but that’s your own opinion.
    I have a few things that really upset me about this whole thing.
    1. This is not about an argument of whether or not G-d exists, but about parents being able to have their newborn actually live.
    2. Not all theists are Christian and so you must remember that you are offending many other religious people as well. You cannot assume that the whole community of theists will shove your throat with religion, as well as you cannot assume that all Christians will shove religion down your throat as well. Don’t allow certain people stereotype your view on the whole.
    3. There are many scientific wonders that fall into faith such as galaxies and space in general. Scientists say that space is infinite, yet no one really knows this for sure. Scientists have faith and belief of facts that pertain to space.
    4. Miracles can happen whether it is G-d or can be explained by science. Evolution is based on miracles as well. There is that one offspring that survives while those around it die and for that offspring it is a miracle.

    Whether you believe in G-d or not, there is no reason to yell at each other about what is and what is not truth. No one knows the whole truth and there is little chance that people ever will. People have different ways of explaining things and if that is not how you explain things then just don’t say anything. There is no reason to fight about right or wrong and be rude about it. Just listen to what people have to say and why they think the way they do. The internet is no place to have such serious discussions because people cannot speak, realistically, one-on-one. Even if you do not agree with the opinions of another person, listening will help you learn about the other side and that in itself can make you more knowledgable. Stop fighting over whether G-d exists or not and let people express their happiness for this family in their own way. Whether it is G-d, science or even both, the main thing is that this family has their child alive, and hopefully healthy, with them.

    • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil April 20, 2011 at 2:53 am #

      The total ignorance of your position is so astounding it leaves me breathless. A biology major should be able to think more clearly than you do.

      You whine that all religions are being offended. When has religion worried for even one second that it is offending someone else. Religious people of all stripes are insufferable arrogant while pretending to be humble and meek. Each is positive that he has THE answers while every other religion is wrong.

      All theists invariably vote their beliefs into law when the decision arises. Do they concern themselves that they are offending anyone else? Not a bit because “in their hearts, they know they are right.”

      I repeat, please try to understand: Most of the problems of the world are, and always have been, caused by religion. For example, Northern Ireland, the Middle East, 9/11, and family planning clinic bombing in the USA. Then there were the crusades, the inquisition, and the dark ages. Get the idea?

      Humanity will never truly be free until the black yoke of religion is lifted by the clear light of truth and rational thinking.

  22. James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil May 26, 2011 at 4:58 am #

    One thing we did fail to consider in this case. The possibility that theists have lied about the details. After all, their religion was founded upon lies and has been lying to this day. So what’s one more lie in an attempt to demonstrate that their god is real?

    Even those this is a touching, beautiful story, we have not hear all of the facts. Has the baby continued to develop normally? Are the parents really theists? Did they really attribute this to god?

    When dealing with theists, you have to examine everything carefully. Little things like the truth, the law, common sense, and human decency mean nothing when they are pushing their sick beliefs on others.

  23. I wont be back to read your response ^___^ May 26, 2011 at 1:51 pm #

    He’s a butt hurt Brazilian that had a traumatizing event cause him to devolve into a mega troll early on in his life. Observe him as he feasts on the unsuspecting prey of people who think what he has to say matters. ( He has just as much credibility as the next butt hurt anonymous internet user ). He feels a sense of self righteousness and pride in his ability to put his name and picture on a random blog. He acts strong willed, intelligent and bully-like to those around him. Meet James (Troll) Smith.

    Troll’s the name. Trolling’s his game. Everyone below this comment has officially been trololololled.

    Trollface.jpg /thread

    • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil May 26, 2011 at 2:07 pm #

      Unlike you mental midget, I am not afraid to use my real name. Nor am I afraid to say things to your face instead of hiding behind my keyboard.

      Among the many things you are wrong about, I am not a Brazilian, nor am I butt hurt. Nor am I a stupid POS like you.

      Talk to my face like that and you’ll have a life-changing experience. You’ll never look, walk, talk, or think the same again. So, whenever you decide to try to be a man instead of an intellectual, ethical, and physical coward, let me know. I’ll pay your way here and then we’ll see whose butt is hurt.

      Yours will be the thoroughly kicked one just for starters.

      Now run and hide while inventing excuses, you little wimp.

      • For Someone Who Loves Rationality May 28, 2011 at 7:55 am #

        Why is it that you can’t fully use it?
        90.4% of Brazilians are Christians. Therefore, it will be a pretty high chance that whoever it is who offends you in Brazil, will be Christian. That kind of reduces the effect you were trying to emphasize. To continue this example (with the assumption you are heterosexual)- If you were going on a blind date, and your date insulted you, would you decide to hate all women, or would you try to reflect on whatever it was that you said/did to provoke a reaction? Of course, people can be rude and selfish, but if you can draw up multiple examples of them directly and deliberately hurting you, maybe you did something too.

        Also, some of the proof you draw upon to support you claim is anecdotal at best.
        I’m an atheist myself, but you give us a bad name. Do you know what the main issue I have with religion? The preaching and forcing of beliefs down my throat. You have made comments that make me think you agree with that sentiment.

        However, you still continue to lambast comments on this this conversation when they make passing references to God. They are not doing it to say “James Smith João Pessoa, you need to convert to my beliefs”. They are celebrating the innate beauty of life. In some way, you are forcing your atheist beliefs on nonbelievers. It’s not going to work out in your favor. This also continues the question I had raised earlier – whether it was something you have done/said that has made people act negatively towards you. Based on this entire thread, you clearly have.

        This article is not scientifically written or studied, so of course there will be discrepancies between whether or not the child was actually alive, etc. The problem is that you completely ignore the purpose of this article. This article is just saying “Oh, look, something good happened in the world”, and you respond with “There is no God”. Religions can get a bad rap for being intolerant of many things, but so should you. You have taken this occasion of joy to criticize things barely related.

        If you really believe in your atheism (ironic, I recognize), do something productive with it. Don’t sit on the internet (Yes, you too are hiding. No one will take you up on that flight to Brazil, and it doesn’t make your argument stronger) trying to mock people’s beliefs; go further some scientific research to disprove God and help humanity. Don’t be cynical and aggressive against anonymous people on a website with no social power. It’s just ridiculous flailing, and it makes you look stupid.

        I’m an atheist. I’m happy with my personal interpretation of the world. I won’t profess my beliefs or try to force someone to agree with me. I didn’t like the hypocrisy in the Catholic Church, and so I left. I also don’t like the hypocrisy of James Smith João Pesso.

        • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil May 28, 2011 at 11:55 am #

          My total reply to you is you really know nothing of me, Brazil, or apparently much else. That hasn’t stopped you from making uninformed statements.

          In point of fact, of all the people I know here, only one is in any way religious and church attendance is quite low. So your 90% figure is obviously inaccurate.

          When have I said that anyone has to “convert to my beliefs?” I couldn’t care less what anyone beliefs. I have pointed out where people/s beliefs are illogical and untrue, but haven’t said they MUST become atheists.

          You have somehow received the impression that I care what you, or anyone else on the internet thinks.

          Basically, you are an arrogant asshole. go fuck yourself.

          • For Someone Who Loves Rationality May 30, 2011 at 9:33 pm #

            Uninformed statements?
            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4243727.stm
            85% of Brazil is Roman Catholic. “Brazil is the country with the largest baptised Roman Catholic population in the world.”
            So not only do they happen to have a large percentage, they have the largest single group. That is not an uninformed statement.

            Isn’t the fact that not everyone you know, while they may be Christian/religious, goes to church defeat part of your argument?
            While people can subscribe to a certain faith, it does not define them. Hence, when you were screwed over by “good Christians”, I would argue they were people who happened to define their religious views as Christian. Their actions weren’t being done in the name of God, they were just living their lives.

            I’ve looked into places you’ve been on the internet, and I have to say – you never really present a strong case to disprove the existence of God. Even on this thread, all you say is “It’s stupid to believe in a God, because he has been disproven”.
            It would be a stronger argument to provide evidence, or at least strong proof to win your case.

            You also love to insult people, which is ironic, since you normally try to mock people who “hide behind their monitor with anonymity”. While you proudly put your name out there, you continue to do the same thing the people you are arguing with.
            I don’t know if you know the typical logical fallacies, but you sure do love to use them.

            The majority of your “proof” is anecdotal and vague at best, such as “I’ve met people who are Christian, and they have been rude to me”. You also use ad hominem attacks all the time, but they clearly are ineffective. Screaming that everyone around them is ignorant and assholes doesn’t mean they are. Just as you’ve tried to justify that we don’t know you, you don’t know us.
            Also, you clearly have a closed mind because you think that by trying to insult us, you have won the argument. We don’t argue that way, because we aren’t four years old anymore. We try to present some sort of proof or statistics that will strengthen our argument.

            By trying to demonstrate that religion is “wrong”, you are clearly begging the question. If religion is wrong, then atheism is right. Advocating publicly for any belief can definitely be construed as an attempt to change people’s minds. Therefore, yes, it is an easy jump to make that your inane rants about how God doesn’t exist is an attempt to spread your beliefs. I’ve already touched upon how I feel about that, and the hypocrisy you are showing by doing so.

            • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil May 31, 2011 at 3:51 am #

              While Brazil is a nominally roman catholic country, something I have never implied otherwise, the intrusion of the church into the state is far less here than in the USA. Most people that are “defined as religious” that is mainly an accident of birth. In particular, the catholic church maintains people on their roles even if they have not seen a priest or been in a church in decades. It is how they artificially inflate their membership.

              When I say that the people I know are not religious it is because I know them personally and am fully aware of their beliefs. I may no secret of the fact that I am an atheist. Unlike the USA, I have experienced no discrimination or hate speech because of it.

              You do not live here, have probably never been to Brazil and rely upon statistics for your statements. As I pointed out above statistics can be amazingly unreliable. “Figures don’t lie, but liars can figure.”

              You are also wrong about some of the people who have cheated, misused and taken advantage of me. In more than one case, when I complained and pointed out they were behaving in an unchristian manner, I was told, “You’re just a damned atheist. God has already cursed you.” Again, you make your assumptions from ignorance to be what pleases you.

              I do not have to prove the non-existence of god. Believers must prove that there is a god. Theists are the ones making the claims, they must provide the proof. Absence of proof is proof of absence, no matter what theists prefer top claim. Do you believbe in the existence of Ray, Zeus, Loki, or Aphrodite? Why not? Give some proof. Or, ignore this like you do everything else that doesn’t fit your purpose.

              If you want proof of the non-existence of the christian god, read the bible, front to back, several times as I had by the time I was a teenager. The contradictions, failed prophecies, casual cruelties, and the genocidal manic portrayed there could not be that of an omniscient deity. Then there is the total lack of any Divine presence anywhere, at any time. If there is a god having an outraged hissy fit over non-believers, all it would have to do is demonstrate an undeniable presence, say in the form of a “great light shining on believers and an eternal darkness upon the atheists” But noooooo, never a sign.

              As I have said many times, in many places, but you conveniently ignore, what you choose to see as insults are statements of observed fact. If I say someone is a willfully ignorant jerk, it is because they have amply demonstrated that they are.

              I do not hide behind my keyboard. As you also conveniently ignore, I have offered to use my own money to fly people to Brazil so they can say their cowardly things to my face. I extend that offer to you. The logical fallacy and lying by ommission is yours.

              I do know people by the statements they make in posts. Maybe you missed it the first time I mentioned it, you seem to be good at ignoring what you choose, I make simple statements of observed facvt. When someone behaves like and ignorant fool, and I point that out, that’s an observed fact. If they do not like the observation, change the fact. Theists are good at making up their own facts anyway, so it shouldn’t be too difficult.

              I have no idea that I have won an argument. I use facts and reson. It is well known among rational people (not you) that you cannot reason a person away from a position they did not reach through reason. Your post only affirms that statement.

              What proof have you offered? Not one bit. What proof has any theist ever given me? None at all. What citations have you given even to prove your questionable statistics? You don’t even have an argument, so how can you strengthen it?

              I have demonstrated that religion is wrong, evil and only a way for one small group of people to control the thoughts and actions of a larger group. As usual, you ignore that, too. I suspect you haven’t really read anything i have written. If you did, you either have a comprehension deficit the size of Jupitor or such selective menory as to render your reading a waste of your time.

              Atheism is rational, and a logical extention of examining the available facts. As to right or wrong, it is “wrong” to believers because it invalidates much of their lives.

              If you want to read my writiing, try http://www.slrman.wordpress.com It isn’t all about atheism but covers many other things, too. Or you could go to http://www.vimeo.com or www/tubewatcher.tv to look at some videos I have done. Enter slrman in the search window at the top right of either site to see my videos. Particularly on tubewatcher, I have also posted videos from others because they were either amusing or informative.

              You accuse me of saying things about people I do not know. (except through moronic posts) Pehaps you should learn a bit more about me before you further expose yourself as a hypocrite and a liar.

              • For Someone Who Loves Rationality June 1, 2011 at 11:14 am #

                As I’ve said many times – I’m also an atheist. I know my reasoning for this belief, but I’m also not trying to spread that message.
                I recognize that people may “be Christian” aren’t necessarily practicing, and that supports my case. Because they are not thinking and acting solely based on the values ascertained by Christianity, their actions should not be solely justified by that criteria.
                I have never encountered any derogatory speech towards being an atheist as well in the USA, with the only exception from you in Brazil.
                I think you are fighting one argument, but meaning another. By saying that you hate religion, and that the Bible has so many contradictions, etc (I see them too), that doesn’t necessarily count as proof against God. What you are actually saying is “religion is wrong” or “the principles/stories found in religious texts are wrong, and it would be stupid to follow them”. However, would you argue that many of the stories found in religious texts are still fine examples of how to live a good life?

                Of course, I read the Bible as more of a historical/representation of human values instead of the religious text it is also interpreted as. The distinction I’m trying to make is that there is a large discrepancy between humans trying to understand and worship their God, and God.

                Back to the circumstances of which you were hurt by good Christian people. As I’ve mentioned before, have you ever taken the time to consider that your actions lead those people to act against you? The answer must be a yes, if at least partially. When you complained to someone for acting unChristian, that can clearly be taken as an insult to them. If I were to define you as unmanly, or not-Brazilian, or not named James, or whatever attribute you happen to have or ascribe to, wouldn’t that be rude? It would be a deliberate offense to denounce someone as something that they strove to be. Sure, maybe they weren’t acting in good Christian faith, but I have a feeling that whatever act they did was not in relation to religion in the first place. Their response is almost a knee-jerk reaction, and pretty common place “you insult me and my religion, I’ll insult back.”
                However, you have the contradiction here – you say that you haven’t encountered hate speech against your atheism, but you have been insulted to be an atheist. That does not add up.

                It also is apparent that you haven’t taken the time to look up what logical fallacies are after I mentioned them.
                Here, I’ll link it so you can get it easily. (Look, more sources!)
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy
                As I said before, just because you think that they are an idiot, their argument may still have validity. Also, calling them an idiot just degrades the conversation and weakens your credibility (because come on, we’re not children). It’s just a meaningless tactic. Just as offering me a flight to Brazil to “challenge me”. I’m not going to take the flight, I’ve got a job and a family to deal with here. But don’t interpret my lack of accepting a plane ticket to another country from a belligerent stranger is me backing down from the argument or losing face, it’s me being logical and mature. You respect logic, right? Respect that. Stop offering such a ridiculous thing.

                I’ve already read through your slrman. Just as you have here, you haven’t really proposed much evidence for anything, you just argue the opposite. While I recognize that as a fine tactic, it is foolish to say there is no argument for God. If there wasn’t any glimmer of a possibility or inkling, that everything in the universe was understood, then there would be certainty. You cannot have complete certainty God does not exist, and believers will have their moments of uncertainty as well. I also note that you dismiss people when they ask you for your opinion or something
                Example – someone asked you on how your atheist beliefs tie into your knowledge of quantam theory, the holographic universe, evolution, etc. You respond strongly against them, calling them irrational for talking about something not related to the disproof of God.
                Clearly you don’t understand those topics, because they are completely entwined with the idea. But as usual, you dismiss their simple question because they raise something more complex than screaming “There is no God!”
                http://slrman.wordpress.com/2010/08/11/is-there-a-god/#comments (Just you can find it again)

                After looking at everything you say, you trouble me. You an atheist, proud in your use of logic to understand the world around you. But you still don’t employ it to be either persuasive, or present an ounce of evidence. Even when you countered the fact that Brazil is not a Christian-majority country, you did not argue with any other sources, you used an uncited quote, and sweeping possible explanations. Not true logic, just pandering.
                At this point, I’ve come to the consensus that while you have have your beliefs, you can’t really understand humanity. You don’t have enough education to learn (or the curiosity to learn) about the science that supports the nonexistence of God, you only use vague references to support your claims. That sort of close-mindedness is horrific. No one really thinks what you say is legitimate, because you’re as inane as the religious extremists. You’ve somehow become a religious zealot of atheism. You have become your own worst enemy

                • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil June 1, 2011 at 1:22 pm #

                  The bible gives good lessons on life? Yes, kill everyone that doesn’t believe as you believe. Condemn to an eternity of torture anyone that does not believe in your particular god, no matter how good a life they have lived. That includes children, even infants. Yes, including people that have never heard of your religion. Damn them all. Destroy entire civilization including animals, plants, and buildings. Great lessons.

                  I am not just saying religion is wrong, I am saying no god has ever existed and all religion is a scam to permit one small group of people to control the thoughts and actions of a larger group.

                  Your entire rant is arrogant and mistaken. You might note that not one person has ever proven one word I have posted is wrong. That includes you. Nor has anyone ever offered proof that any god exists. Aren’t you a little bit curious as to why that is?

                  YOu make many assumptions about me, my education, and my ability to do research. That means you are just as arrogant, self-righteous and ignorant as any theist. So here’s something even you can understand. I could not care less what your addle-pated brain thinks. If I have given you the impression that I do, I apologize. That was never my intention.

                  Your entire long-winded post is a toatl waste of time and you must have no life at all to post such meaningless drivel.

                  FYI, all of the persecution and actual physical assaults I have endured for being an atheists happened in the USA> The “good christians” that cheated me and took advantage of me had good reasons, certainly. I was patronizing their businesses and trusted them to be honest. My mistake for tempting them, right?

                • For Someone Who Loves Rationality June 1, 2011 at 7:51 pm #

                  As I’ve said before, you really are closed minded. Yes, the Bible has multiple references to things that are unjust and terrible. I clearly was referring to stories with good morals, such as the Good Samaritan. The phrase “do unto others as you in turn would have them do unto you”. Those are principles you surely cannot say are a good guiding force. Whether or not people follow them is another debate.

                  Once again, you have not provided support to show your belief in the nonexistence of God. I know that you believe the burden lies on the one trying to prove God’s existence, but come on. Blinding yourself to this one sentence does not make it so. Just as “God exists because it says so in the Bible” does not make it so.
                  Your attack on religion doesn’t really make sense. I could understand some of the argument if you were to discuss the deaths that happen in the name of God, okay. But saying that it is a scam because it lets one group of people control another group doesn’t really support your case. With that definition, all governments are scams. Corporations are scams. Books are scams. Art is a scam. Anything with a message is a scam.
                  (I’m not going to get into whatever you think about the government, or any of the other things I’ve listed)

                  When I mentioned the other instances of science that could support/weaken the argument that there is no God (Hologram Universe, Evolution, etc) depending on how you argue it, you ignore it once again. Therefore, I’m forced to conclude that you don’t know enough about the subjects to form an opinion. That’s fine, not many people have explored it to understand what we understand. But ignoring them for the sole purpose that it might weaken your belief is ridiculous. Logical arguments consider all of the sides before determining the conclusion.

                  Here’s something to consider that (for a person who likes to play devils advocate) – With all of these fields of science, we have been discovering more hidden things in the world. We have found the atom, we’ve split the atom, we’ve explored the known Universe from our Earth, we’ve plotted the stars, found the Golden Ratio in nature and found with string theory that matter can be connected even when separated through energy “strings”. All of these things can make anyone be in awe of the laws of nature that are so powerful, yet simple. Without a higher power, how does nature align itself to be so mathematical? How does one atom that is connected to another through quantam mechanics react when the other atom is provoked? How is it that in certain measurements of atoms, the act of measuring it can change it’s behavior? How does the vibration of an atom respond to a conscious mind? The secret beauty of the universe is so vastly inexplicable. Of course, at some point, we can be able to explain this. But we don’t know these answers yet. In these mysteries, how can you not see the possible influence of a higher power? Even when you use science to “disprove” God, there is still a chance he exists, because there isn’t any science yet thought of to explain everything.

                  You were physically assaulted because you were an atheist? Man, you must be as horrible in real life as you are online. As I’ve said way earlier, even before you gave me any vague hints, you must have been doing something to provoke them. It turns out you were, you were attacking their business, their livelihood, their possible personal goals of owning a business, their religious beliefs, and you don’t expect to be retaliated upon? Sure, the Bible says to turn the other cheek, but they’re still human. Anyone, with religious morality, or traditional atheist morality would respond the same way. Is this “intolerance” why you moved to Brazil? Good riddance. It’s people like you who believe that just because you have an opinion, that you are always right and should always be heard. Now you’re a 68 year old man who sits on his computer and gripes about things that don’t matter. This article was originally about how a baby came back to life, and how happy life can be. You ruined it by throwing your senseless opinions, based in no evidence other than “people are rude to me when I’m rude to them”.

                  I can’t even believe I’m still arguing this. You have never said an ounce of evidence that could even possibly persuade anyone of your side, yet you crow proudly that your argument is impossible to be defeated. As I’ve said many times, and will again – you are too close minded to acknowledge anything that is contrary to your beliefs.
                  This attack is not an ad hominem. This is based in fact, related to this conversation, and your character is completely tied into it. By denouncing you as being illogical, narrowmindedness, and uneducated, it calls to light the weaknesses in your argument.

                  You simply cannot refute anything I’ve said. Except maybe you’re 69 or 70 years old now. Everything I have said is based in fact (and some has been sourced), and the comments on your character are clearly in reference to your own comments.

                  Yes, I’m an atheist. Yes, I have personal answers for every question I’ve raised. But I keep it to myself, because while it placates me, it may not placate others, and I would also hate to be associated with fanatics who scream at the top of their lungs that they know the truth and that everyone is blinded, without providing any illumination. Just as religious people can be immoral (which does not disprove the existence of God, it only proves that people are human), so too can atheists. While we live by a code of ethics not prescribed to us by a higher power, we have ethics. And we can break these ethics based in logic and be wrong. James Smith João Pessoa, please, just admit that you are, at least for this single instance, wrong. Or at least not using enough to prove to validate your claims, and therefore do not deserve to be listened to. Yes, it’s your opinion. But this is not a business, and you are not a customer. You are not always right. It’s deplorable how you use this thread as your soapbox.
                  This is a simple post about the happiness found with a new child’s life. The child was lucky to survive, and the we should celebrate the families’ luck. Not damn those who celebrate with them.

                • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil June 2, 2011 at 3:24 am #

                  You are the one that is close minded. All you do is whine and bitch that I do not prove the non-existence of god and why am I so anti-religious.? If you had really read my post and were able to comprehend what I have said, you would know why. Religion always imposes it’s sick values upon everyone else. Religion is based upon lies. The bible, for example is a collection of myths stolen from other sources. What few historical events it confirms are nothing more than well-known events and their inclusion proves nothing.

                  I have made my case here and other places as well. You are so close-minded and anti James Smith that you refuse to see them.

                  As has been said many times by myself and others, “You cannot reason a person away from a position they did not reach through reason.”

                  You are an apologist for religion and choose me to attack because I simply tell the truth.

                  You choose also to ignore the things I have said about how it is terrific that this baby has survived and that I have asked if anyone has head if the child continues to do well. But ignoring inconvenient facts is your way, isn’t it?

                  You seem to be the kind of weak, insecure individual that needs to get the last word or you feel somehow diminished as a person. So reply to this as you will. I am ignoring anything else you say, I am tired of dealing with the intellectual and ethical disaster that you have shown youeself ro be.

  24. Ryan May 26, 2011 at 6:13 pm #

    Wow! Amazing story! That mother must be so proud. I hope the child grows up to be a beautiful, happy, healthy boy.

    • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil May 26, 2011 at 6:24 pm #

      That’s right. I’ve been looking for some follow-ups but haven’t seen any. I’d think by now, there would be something. I’d like to know, too.

      • Riyad Kalla June 1, 2011 at 8:10 am #

        James, there was the TV interview with the parents/mom soon after this happened where the baby seemed fine, but beyond that I haven’t seen any additional followups either. I’ll update the post if I come across any.

        • James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil June 1, 2011 at 10:39 am #

          Thanks for the follow-up. I appreciate that. To think that the baby is fine is a very happy ending. Thanks again for the come back.

          • Lindsay June 25, 2011 at 12:25 am #

            The point of life is happiness… Not knowing every god damn thing about the world. Who gives a fuck if these people believe in a god. Let them be, you fucking bullies. If there is a god, there is a god. If there isn’t one, then OOPS, a mistake! Its alright! Just enjoy the time you have and be happy!

          • Jason February 8, 2012 at 12:58 am #

            Aside from you being a huge asshole James I love every word you’re saying and pretty much agree with you wholeheartedly.

  25. Kendall June 23, 2011 at 11:44 am #

    I can’t believe half of you people. This is an amazing story, whether it be a miracle of science, or of God, it is a MIRACLE. You are all acting like children fighting over who is right and who is wrong. Cursing at each other and threatening each other, like it even matters why it happened, it happened that child is alive, that mother didn’t have to bury her newborn baby. Isn’t that what matters here? You should all be ashamed of yourselves with how you’re treating each other. Something like this should be celebrated, it shouldn’t be used as an excuse to publicly bash each other. I am so glad to have been born in a different more accepting generation.

  26. Jesus Christ June 24, 2011 at 2:33 am #

    The Flying Spaghetti Monster holds such great power, this child has been touched by his noodly appendage.

    • hayden June 25, 2011 at 12:45 pm #

      I love you.

  27. Bekah June 24, 2011 at 11:27 pm #

    To all:

    James Smith is a nothing but a troll. How do I know this? Because I totally owned his ass on DearBlankPleaseBlank.com. He used all the same name calling and threatening strategies then as he is now. Had to let you all know because I just find it amusing how pathetic he is. Ignoring him is the best policy, otherwise he’ll just keep delusionally spitting that ridiculous banter at you all.

    Beware the TROLL!!!

  28. hayden June 25, 2011 at 12:44 pm #

    Well I guess retarded is better than dead.

  29. Chris June 25, 2011 at 1:54 pm #

    lol James Smith João Pessoa. While I find you quite extreme, it’s funny to read the responses of the apologists and christians. You use their own tactics against them and for that, they become upset. You’re as much in their face as they are with the rest of the world that isn’t sharing their delusional belief in a deity. All organized religion is a scam and the sooner we’re rid of it, the better.

  30. The White Death June 25, 2011 at 1:54 pm #

    “It is incredible/infuriating/amazing/whatever that if you walked around the Roman Empire around 0 AD, and someone asked you “Ohhh you are from the future! What happens when you die?” and your answer is basically still the same it was back then: I don’t know.”

    …And that’s related to the article how?

  31. YouPeopleDontEvenKnow October 23, 2011 at 10:17 am #

    Well, I see James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil hasn’t posted anything since June1, 2011…. it seems as though he went to meet his maker…X-D…*sarcastic*

  32. Eliot October 30, 2011 at 8:55 am #

    “What happened next stopped everyone in their tracks; baby boy Jamie started to breath, opened his eyes and grabbed his mom’s finger.”

    It’s “breathe”. -_-

    Breath = Noun
    Breathe = Verb

    • Riyad Kalla October 30, 2011 at 12:51 pm #

      Eliot, great (subtle) catch! I didn’t realize there were differences in the use of that word, thanks.

  33. Maura December 19, 2011 at 9:04 pm #

    Watch the movie Grace then tell me that this is a good story…

  34. Onyx December 20, 2011 at 12:37 pm #

    James, it is people like you who give atheists a bad name. People like you, who go around hating on all religious people simply because they have different ideas than you do. It’s what makes me ashamed to be atheist at times, because everyone automatically assumes that I hate all religious people.

    Just because someone believes in a god, doesn’t mean they are jerks, morons, or anything else demeaning you might have said. In fact, all of my friends are religious in some way, and my step mother is Baptist. Guess what? Not once have they ever tried to shove their religions down my throat, or tried to ‘save’ me by preaching at me. They understand that I have different views, and I understand that they have different views.
    It’s very rude of you to act this way, just because someone out there thinks differently than you do.

    You also demean the story featured here when you do this. If someone starts hating on you for being atheist, go right ahead and defend yourself, just like all of the religious people on here defended themselves from your attack on religion. But you really shouldn’t be going around and attacking religious people and their views on life just because their opinions differ with your own. It is people like you who make it a trial to read comments on touching stories.

    Moving on past that, this is a beautiful story! I find it incredible that something like this could happen. Whether all of the facts are completely true or not doesn’t matter, it’s still a beautiful thing that happened.

  35. Austin January 4, 2012 at 11:00 pm #

    it is don’t not don;t..But you really DON’T care about little things like grammar, spelling, OR proper English do you?

    Facts and rational thinking are not part of your world view either, are they?

    See James we are all human here, we will all make mistakes! I bet I will make at least 1 gramatical error in this comment but that does not make me insane, or mentally challenged! You need to get over yourself and realize that people will believe what they want to believe. I realize that you have stated you understand this but you feel it is your responsibiity to correct the ‘absent-minded thiests’, but it is not James. You say you are doing this because if you do not the Christians will attack you? All you are doing is attacking the Christians!
    I have not seen one comment of yours that was not driven by anger and pure hatred… hatred of what?! humans that decide to believe in God because it makes them (me) feel better knowing, yes KNOWING, that there is something out there protecting us? why do you pour your hatred upon others? ahh i see! you justify it because other “Christians” have poured their immature and nonsensical hatred on you. NO JAMES, no. Christians are supposed to take the high road, ACTUALLY all humans are to take the high road! But this is not the case; the commentors that have retaliated are not Christians in deep faith, they are Christians for the ‘tag’ of being Christian. James you come back with attacks on the commentor with no balls that you keep threatening to fly out to beat up, calling him uneducated and wrong. In reality your comments are just as mean all you are doing is using your seemingly vast grasp of the english language to convey your meaning. (I do applaud you on your grasp of vocabulary!)

    It appears ihave rambled, i do apologize for that but my point in this longer than short comment was to say that you are handling this all wrong! everyone in the world will have a different opinion on something than someone else, we are programmed to start making our own decisions. You may thoroughly enjoy baseball and calim it is Americas sport and it is the most fun thing to watch ever. while i disagree i dont think you are stupid for thinking that, although i may think you dont know what fun is ha ha. Again i digress. Live life, of course you may speak and Thank God (yes God, you may read it as thank goodness…it is your right and it is my right to say God), thank God that we have that right. but in expressing your opinion i ask that you please take the high road and stop making threats and claiming you are right because you have facts you have yet to fabricate for us. And yes i know you claim no one has shown proof to prove God to be real it does not matter! If I want to believe that God is real…let me! you may be atheist i will not stop you. someone has stated previously, i will feel bad for you but i will not stop you. you may also feel bad for me but PLEASE, do not try to change me.

    ps: I was not always Christian or religious and no one “brainwashed me”… i decided on my own, and for me it has been the best decision i have ever made.

    With best regards,
    Austin

    May we thank whomever it is you would like to thank for this baby being saved! Thank you, from me, Jesus!

  36. Yameen Khan January 5, 2012 at 10:58 pm #

    Heart touching

  37. Ellf January 8, 2012 at 3:14 am #

    I think this was a beautiful story at the very least. But damn, the comments. On the one hand we have the militant atheist (who imho is just as bad as the fundie Christians), and on the other, we have those who provoke him.

    Honestly?

    The doctors fucked up. Whatever vital signs the child was showing, they were very faint, so faint that they dismissed them entirely. That they let the mother hold the supposedly “dead” child for so long… well, I don’t know how long they’d let her hold him if he truly were dead.

    Coming back from death is a miracle, yes. But only if the child truly was dead in the first place.

    Clinical death isn’t the same as real death.

    Is this a miracle? It certainly was to the mother. A child whom you thought you would never get to know, whom you would never get to see grow up comes to life in your arms. That’s a miracle. God-given or not.

  38. Curious January 12, 2012 at 11:18 am #

    Could it have been that the mother’s heartbeat was strong enough affect the baby in any way? Being that the baby is small (and fragile) I’m sure the smallest movements – heartbeats included – would be strong enough to send at least some of the baby’s blood moving around. At least through the mother’s rhythmic heartbeat.

  39. Hannah January 17, 2012 at 7:48 pm #

    When my mom’s rottweiler delivered her first litter of puppies the first one was born dead. My mom put the baby boy puppy in the trash. After about 15 minutes my mom picked him up, put him in a blanket and started rubbing his belly and back gently. 30-45 minutes later he came back to life. He was our protector for 9 years until cancer got the better of him.

    • Cass April 8, 2012 at 12:54 pm #

      Same thing happened to my dog Cujo. He was dead when he was born, but after 5 minutes of trying to revive him, he started breathing again. Unfortunetly he also died of Cancer in 2008, 10 days after he turned 9.

  40. Flygplatser I Milano January 20, 2012 at 3:22 pm #

    this is actually the fourth time i read the blog, great article as always! regards!

  41. Religion is a joke August 31, 2012 at 12:51 am #

    Just starting by saying … If god is real why do children get murdered,raped and left to starve all over the world? Why in the third world nations does he let whole populaces die of starvation,disease and self righteous wars which I may point out,alot have started due to under educated leaders thinking that they are cleansing the land of dirty non believers of their god/gods? Why does he let so much bad shit happen yet wait till a SINGLE baby is about to die to say “hey ,I’ve still got power!”??? . Like someone said before if he has the choice to kill one to save millions,and correct all of the injustices of the world why not just do it ? Instead of sitting up their saving one but letting things like the holocaust happen? Why because either it (the whole of idea of religion) is bullshit or he really is the devil who or why would someone create such a place and let so many wars happen in his own name if indee he wasn’t trying to fill hell (that is in theory if any of this exists). Note that word THEORY . The word theology is what religious beliefs are refered to because it is all THEORY not fact ! So you can stick your religion up your proverbial and research lazzarus syndrome. That my dear religious people who think the tales are truth is what this baby has… Yes it is a proven medical condition… Miracles are just science puzzles we havnt cracked yet…
    The idea that a cosmic Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you accept him by symbolically eating his flesh and telepathically accepting him as your master so he can remove some evil present in all humanity because a woman made from one rib handsome dirt ate fruit from a magical tree after being coherced by a talking snake. Yeh makes perfect sense. Please you have your ideals and I’ll have mine but please don’t forget this whole argument was started over a baby that lived and will keep living while trillions will die horribly but before they do they will live horrendous lives and only know suffering. But hey he sard a baby good for him. I know when I die I will be worm food and that’s fine for me.

  42. Lee October 20, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    Leave it to atheists to leave comments attacking a mother and her dead child.
    Lets look at what some the atheists have typed on this shall we.

    The story tells us the following information

    ” Let that sink in… they didn’t try and revive the baby for 20 mins, give up, hand the baby to Kate and then Jamie came around 5 mins later. They handed Kate Ogg her dead baby boy and she held him for 2 hrs before he came back to life.”

    Then atheists go and take the story and recycle it, now according to various atheists, the doctors tried to revive the child for 20 minutes then gave up and then gave the child to its mother and then the child came around 5 minutes later. I find this funny because the above words from this story says that is what did not happen, and the dim witted atheists are taking the words out of context and recycling the story to say it did. Another foolish atheist named mary states the following

    { Most likely his life signs were too faint for his mother (who is not a trained physician) to detect while she held him for that time period. }

    I laugh at this, because trained physicians already diagnosed the child dead before she was given to the mother, mary you poor little dumb dumb.

    You atheists think you are so big and bad, then make a planet, make a human life. you say I can create life I have sex with a woman and a baby comes out, sad little dim witted atheist lol. Make a human from dirt and breath into it. Make stars, make a moon, make an ocean, make a sun, make all of the other things that you can not explain how they got their. I once had an atheist state to me that grapes, apples, oranges, carrots, tomatoes, lettuce, potatoes etc. were actually not food, they were just strange plants that humans consumed for some strange reason, and humans could easily survive eating sand and rocks just like when we oozed out of the primordial soup. hahahaha

    I can just picture you goofy atheists eating a bowl of sand and rocks. hahaha

    You fools talk tough behind your keyboards but on the day of judgement you will be like a limp noodle before god crying and begging for mercy as he throws you into the lake of fire. And those big massive egos you have that tell you that you are 100% right and never ever make a mistake won’t be saving you then.

  43. Christina November 20, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    This is a terrible piece! You left out the part where the baby began to move five minutes after being announced dead and the idiot/lazy (take your pick) doctors said that he was still dead when he obviously was not and 2 hours later they conceded that he was indeed alive. Undoubtedly if his parents had not held him, he probably would not have survived, but please give all the information.
    If he had no heartbeat for 2 hours he would have massive brain damage and probably would have died shortly after reviving. I’m not a doctor, or any kind of health professional, but I’m not an idiot.

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